My new engine

[slammed67]

So I had to take my bug over to see Dr. Dave at D&M as she was not doing well.  I assumed that the worst of my problems were just a bad clutch.  WRONG!!!!  Turns out my rear main seal went out and that was what was causing my clutch to slip.  It probably is also the reason my oil puddle was getting so huge;-)   Dave also said that the motor was on its last legs:-(   He wanted to sell me one of his new primo motors but I could not make the sell to my wife.  She sees it as my toy and not my transportation as I have something else to drive.  I ended up settling for a rebuilt motor for half the price.  Hey, it is better than watching it sit:-)  He is replacing it with a stock 1600 but the old one was a 1641.  He is putting my dual Kadrons back on but he is not happy with them as I found out he hates Kadrons.  Will the power be that much less?
What do you guys think?

Randy

[BusDriver]

Well....Since I am the guy doing the work, and since you asked, if it were my car I would either get some Webers or....go back to a single carb. THe engine I am currently right in the middle of building you will probably not run nearly as well with your dual Kadron setup as it would with a single or a good set of duals. As I said if it were my personal car I would run a single until I could afford a set of Webers with a good linkage.

We all feel terrible at the shop but there is only so much we can do for the price. We tried to come up with a better solution but we just didn't have anything else we could do, sorry we had to deliver the bad news.

[slammed67]

So is this Dave or Todd posting?  I was not complaining at all just was trying to get some feedback on what to expect with a slightly smaller motor.  I would love to put a different setup on it but right now I cannot.  Maybe if I could get someone to trade me something for my Kadrons??  maybe I will try that.  Again, I was not complaining and I am okay with switching carbs but just do not have the funds.

Randy

[BusDriver]

This is Todd, and I knew you were not Bing :-D It's just that some lazy F'er hasn't put back the smilies yet so I could not use the razz.. I was just stating my opinion as to what I thought you should do, it just  happens to be the same as Dave's ;-) But I am a Webber fan and I know the linkage is much better, I predict you are going to have the same problems with Sync on an engine that has a little less HP.

Don't worry brother I am taking care of her, When your car is with me it's mine.

[slammed67]

That's cool.  You know you could just throw in that motor that is in that blue bug you just bought;-)  I would be very happy with that.  Did Dave ever ask that guy with the Ghia (being converted to electric) if he might want to sell those baby Webers?  

Randy

[BusDriver]

He did not want to sell them. :-( personally I have to agree with Dave and say"If it were my car" I would use a Pict 30 Single on that engine. I can hear you scream right now WHAT!!! But yeah thats what I would do as you have a chance of getting rid of the famous flat spot caused by to much air from carbs that are to large.

[slammed67]

So when do you think you will actually be putting the fuel system in?  I ask as I might still try to come up with something else.   So is that the only carb you guys would recommend?  What about a small Weber single or a weber progressive?  I could potentially take that Flamethrower system back as credit toward a new carb?

I am sooooo confused.

Randy

[BusDriver]

Well you will have a stock engine, therefor I would only recommend a stock carb setup. If you could find a single That was close to a stock size (pict 30) then that might be ok. I would not run duals or anything with high airflow unless I was putting a cam in it, and then I would only run Webers with a hex arm linkage. Now remember this is just an opinion, and opinions are like assholes yadda yadda...

If you are running a stock engine (which you will be) without a cam (which you don't have) then you want to choke it a bit (hence the stock carb recommendation) to try and get rid of the flat spot created from the engine gulping air. Any power you may gain from the larger carb can be negated by the flat spot and bobble created by the larger carb.

Now remember you may still have the flat spot even if you do go with the 30, Bugs are famous for that, but going with a bigger carb will only make it worse. Now if you are wanting to juice it up I would say take the flame thrower back and get the cash and go with the premium engine :-) I know, I know but if you are going with the stock engine I would go with the stock setup.



Out with the old, in with the new

[BuginU2]

FYI Randy - If you are still interested... I am almost certain I have one or more stock 30's laying around the garage AND some dual port manifolds to go with them.

If you are interested, I can dig them out... on Saturday.  (I'm leaving in the wee hours tomorrow for California)

As a side note as well, I'd probably dump the 009 distributor if I was going all stock (but keep the electronic ignition) and switch to a distributor with a vacuum advance on it.  009 have a wicked flat spot on them as well.

[slammed67]

Duane, if you could I would appeciate you looking for that carb and give me a call at /**EDITED BY OLDSCOOL TO PROTECT RANDYS PERSONAL INFO HIS NUMBER IS IN THE MEMBERS ONLY FORUM**/.  Let me know how much you want for that and the manifold.

Todd, nice pic!!  Looks like Duane may be able to help me out.  What do you think about going to a stock distributor?  Even if I was to take the flamethrower back it would not make up the difference:-(  I think I will just go ahead and use it.   My goal is to only use this engine for a little while and then sell it as a turnkey and buy one of your performance turnkeys.  Hopefully that will happen in the next year or so.

Randy

[CatBox]

i might be interested in your kads if you want to sell.

if you are shoot me your price and i will see what i can do.  i have a stock pict 30 on my car and and vac distribtor that i am going to replace.

the distributor just got a new set of points afew hundred miles ago and the carb runs like a top.

i also have a weber progressive and manifold lying on the work bench.

you can pm me or find my number in the members area.

PeterB.

[slammed67]

Thanks Todd for editing that.  I was not thinking:-(  It has been a long day here at work.  Also what do you think of a Weber progressive or is that going to be too much?

Randy

[BusDriver]

Yes I would go to the stock distributor as well. I probably will not get to your engine till Monday at the VERY earliest, I need the long block before I can put her back together.

As for selling it, that would be ok but this is what I personally would do.

Let me set that up as a stock engine. You will have a good running engine that is reliable, easy on gas (Because I know you are a good owner and run only premium : ), and will still be very drivable.

Take some of the money you will save for the new engine and get new window seals all the way around, replace the fender beads as well. Chrome bumpers and light trim including eyelids.

Drive the new engine until you can afford a Do Da' engine from say Mike over at DIP or tell Dave you want one and have him get it, and we can install it for you or we can have a club shop day. But an engine like the one in the Smurf Monster is going to set you back about 2600-3000k, but you will have time to save for it as the engine you are getting now will last for years, and when you do get the nice one you will have a great spare.

Thats what I would do, if it were me. You have a nice car, pretty soon it will have a reliable engine. A few trim pieces and a couple touch ups here and there, and you will have a Great car. Once you put the Do Da' motor in it you have a frickengroovin car.

[slammed67]

Todd, what do you think about using the Weber 32/36 progressive that Catbox has?  Is it still overkill?

Randy

[BusDriver]

Let me check on the progressive tomorrow and I'll post back here. It sounds like we can get this worked out.