The Catbox files...

[slammed67]

Hey Peter, sorry these carbs are causing you such a headache:-(  Although they did not seem to run great on my car they did work?  I had several other issues that contributed to my problem like a blown rear main and an engine with very little life left in it.  I am not trying to kill your theory as you know much more than I do about them but just thought you would appreciate my input.  Could something have gotten dislodged when cleaning them and is now plugging something?  I am rooting for you!!!  I hope you can get it running in time to drive it to Champoeg Park tomorrow.  

Good Luck,
Randy

[CatBox]

if i cant get the red bug going i will just have to drive the big blue bug.

ill get it going someday, im kinda used to not having it run.  having it ready to go i guess is just not my style.

i did check out evwparts.com way earlier this morning and found the next engine i will put into it.  its a scat race ready engine kit that is 2332

http://www.evwparts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=ScatEngineRaceKits

it comes in a do it yourself kit but thats how i roll Yo!

i cant wait to just be able to drive it at all.

[BusDriver]

I did not know the jets were in backwards when I rebuilt the engine as I never even looked at the old carbs(other than to pull them off). First thing Dave :hal: said when he seen em (Kadrons) was "get rid of that garbage" :pottytrain5: (Randy can back me up on that.) So they came off and you got em fresh from the Kill :whdat:. If I were a lesser man (And we all know I am, so who am I really kidding here.) I would point out that receiving brand spanking new "to you" carbs the first thing you should have done was pull them apart and rebuild them :violent3:. However that now not being pointed out lets examine the situation :ky:. Do you have to run Dual Carbs? Do you have a manifold and a Solex sitting around somewhere that you could dummy in until you get a set of balls,,,I mean Webbers? :thumbleft:

:glasses4:***For those that are following along at home and may not know me, this sarcasim that I am infusing is humor, no feelings should be harmed in the posting of this post***:glasses5:

[buspilot]

If you're going with a new engine why not go all out?

http://www.type1turnkeys.com/

Quite a bit more money, but it comes from a guy who is arguably the best VW engine builder in the world. He designs the combo, inspects all the parts, does all the measuring, and sends you the kit that can be built without any special tools. He says it can be done by a 10 year old with no experience with a 110 piece craftsman tool kit.

If you do decide to get rid of those Kadrons, you could always toss 'em my way.  :)

[CatBox]

i to have seen the Raby builds and highly respect his work.  i am already cosidering the use of the type1 DTM.  the original DTM was designed by a member of our club, Joe Lacisero (?).  he sold it to jake.  the $6000 price for the kit is kinda steep but it is a well thought out engine and will deliver what is promised.  you get what you pay for and that would put the super into my beetle.  OHHhhh 200HP in my street car.  on the first outing i would blow the tranny, i know my restraint and its not good.


As for the todd, i know they should be rebuilt but there isnt a lot to them.  i have pulled them down to the smallest bits twice and they wernt that bad to begin with.  just the factory filters in backwards, and that didnt seem to be the problem.  mark seemed to think it was the american made fuel filter i had put in.  but the float bowls are alway full when i pull them apart.  i have recieved a set a Mr. Kadrons jettting set up for a 1641 that i think are about the same as what i have but will try them anyhow.  just to spite you i may never put webers on it.  

i am now in the thinking i may have to put in a pressure regulator to make sure i am not flooding it out when i step on the gas.  these babys like between 1.5 to 2.0 lbs pressure.  the other thing i am gonna do is to remove the accelerator pump linkage to see if it is getting way to much gas when i push it down.  it will idle well but it doesnt like quick little blips.  if you take the throlttle up slowly it will run smooth, but as soon as you blip it it will stumble till you let off.

[buspilot]

Are you running a factory mechanical fuel pump? if so do this first before dumping money into a fuel pressure regulator:

Buy a stack of fuel pump gaskets and start adding them under the pump. The more you add the lower the fuel pressure will be. A cheapo fuel pressure gauge from harbor freight can be used if you don't already have one.

Get the pressure where the carbs like and see if that fixes the problem before dumping money into a regulator. (you won't even need one with the mechanical pump, stacking gaskets is the method listed in the Bentley Manual for adjusting fuel pressure.)

[TotallyVW]

Buy a stack of fuel pump gaskets and start adding them under the pump.

What a great idea.  Never heard of that before.   :flower:   Thanks BP.

[CatBox]

ah haaa i will do these things with the fuel pumper.  and thanks for the tip on the pressure gauge from HF as i would have forgotten about them.

[BuginU2]

Hey Peter -

I have a fuel regulator you can have.  I pulled on off the firewall of my '66 yesterday!

[CatBox]

well iworked on it again yesterday afternoon.  it didnt go well.



as buspilot pointed out i have a Bentley manual.  it is supposed to be full of information on how these little cars work.  i read in it about how to check your fuel pump pushrod height.  its supposed to be at its peak about 13mm.  so i pulled the pump off and measured it and found that it only has 7mm.  thinking wow could this really be the problem?  i craftily devised a way to remedy this by milling off 6mm from the intermediate plate or the pushrod guide.  sounds good so far right?

so it is not a quick thing i had to do with the guide as it took a while being careful to keep it square as i removed material on my disk/beltsander.  so its all finito and i stick it in there and its coming up to 12mm and im pretty happy at this point thinking it just couldnt feed itself at higher rpm's.  

nope.

i put the pump on it and tightened it all down and then put a rachet onto the alternater and started to turn it.  turn, turn, turn,  crunch, gas leaks from the base of the pump.  i pulled it apart and it apears that the pump doesnt like the 12mm throw the manual of the gods has recomended.  


so i removed the pump lines and was sprayed with gas all over.  well i can now roll the car out in to the driveway and light it on fire much easier as its got gas all over the place.

i put my stuff away and walked into the house and announced my new plan to my wife.  she said that if i am that if i am unhappy with it  should sell it.  well how does that make me feel better?

i went and took a shower.

as i was gettin out i heard a knock at the door and i could here my wife talking to somebody.  so i got my clothes on and went to the door.  it was Duane and he went out of his way to bring me the fuel pressure regulator i had not yet read about.  well after talikng to him for a while i was back from the tibetian imulation i had planned.

thanks to him i have come back in from the ledge and am going to continue my fight with this motor.  either it will ultimately break or i will fix it, piece by piece.  if'n it breaks at least i will know whats wrong and why it wont go.

thanks Duane.

[TotallyVW]

The difference in rod length may be directly related to the type of fuel pump you are using (generator or alternator). I know that the rod for each is different, but I never know which is which so I always buy a new rod when I buy a new pump.  It's cheap insurance I figure. So what is the recomended fuel pressure for Kadrons?  I happen to have a fuel pressure test kit if you would like to find out just what you are pushing out your pump.

[CatBox]

these babys like between 1.5 to 2.0 lbs pressure.

yes i am quoting myself.

[BuginU2]

I sensed a disturbance in happy VW-land and I had errands to run nowhere near Peter's house.  I'm glad that I was able to pull you back from the brink.  If I had known how bad it was, I would have pulled the fuel pump, push rod and guide off my motor for you.  (I don't have a need for it right now...)

That is one beautiful motor you have... I'd hate to see it go up in flames.  

I was really impressed with "The Pile" though.....  :D

[CatBox]

I was really impressed with "The Pile" though.....  :D

he speaks of my backyard not my car.  i have a rather extensive collection of ummm stuff from my job in the yard.  it would have been taken care of long ago if i had not been crashed.  but it has served me very well during the duration of my time off.

here is the rain tray i have been devising.  it will be completely made of parts from the aformentioned "pile".  the silver parts are froman electronic air cleaner, the drain bungs are part of a gas control valve and the tubes the straps on them are from a 90% furnace also.

 it started off as an innocent pizza box then i hacked it up and figured out how to mount it to the underside of the engine lid.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/hubba617/car%20stuff/PDRM0261.jpg)

can you see how i did it?  the silver spots you see are one inch machine screws and they are connected to little magnets that are very strong.

here it is on the car.  max asked why there was a little ceasers box in the car when he saw it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/hubba617/car%20stuff/PDRM0262.jpg)

here it is all tucked up and out of the way with the lid opened

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/hubba617/car%20stuff/PDRM0263.jpg)

this is what the final will be cut out of.  it used to be an oil furnace made sometime in the fifty's.  this is just one side and the furnace used to be about 4 1/2 feet tall and eight feet long.  the outer skin is what you see and is a thin aluminum.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/hubba617/car%20stuff/PDRM0264.jpg)

i replaced the parts that i had a problem with the other day and every thing is peachy again.  the new pumper has a larger head and the lines come out in the right place.  so no fab had to be done to that other than a little paint work.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/hubba617/car%20stuff/PDRM0265.jpg)

we now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

[CatBox]

well here we are again, we have to stop meeting like this....


cabin fever has taken hold of me...
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ok im back.  i have some pictures for you.

first is the regulator that Duane has dropped off.  the condtion you see it in is in no way shape or form that iti was dropped off in.  it would be hard to say if Duane himself could identify the part you see.  i showed it to juggybuggy and she swore i had just bought it.  when i got it, it was in a jumbled mess of fuel lines and a couple of unrecognizeable parts.  they were all the same color.



here it is with the stock bracket off and attached to the fuel pressure gauge i got from baxters.  it was just under $20, much cheaper and less bulky than the one at DIP.



so i needed a place to put all of this stuff and a way to mount it and make it look sanitary while doing so.  since i am a prisoner in my house, i have lots of time to ponder things just as this.  since pondering and using a pencil are easy to do thats what i did.  

here you will see the cardboard template i have created to hold the three components between the pump and carbs.  something else has been changed around to, see if you can see what?



after things were all mounted to the template it was time to figure out how to mount and where on the firewall?  this is the place i had sized it for and i did a good job.

with out the air filter the regulator is easily seen


with the air filter on its just the fuel pressure gauge showing.



the carbs came off again today to check the sizes of the main and idle jets.  also to see if the accelerator pump discharge tubes have the check balls in place.  i have read they are very importante' and need to be there.  if you have these carbs and haven't been to this site http://www.lowbugget.com i highly recommend you go and read the help pages as i have done alot of searching and this is the most comprehensive site for any info on these carbs at all.

now to get it all reset and make my bug happy.