corradojeff's second atempt at bug

[corradojeff]

update: todd and thanny helped me pull my engine wanted to do a clutch and got some other stuff as well.. here is pics of the new stuff that showed up in the mail today.


new clutch and throttle cable

clutch cable boden tube

kenedy stage 2 clutch pressure plate, mild street clutch, throw out bearing

bosch plugs and blue coil

J tubes to replace rusted out hearter box's

 8)

[BusDriver]

ummm....you meant to say Kennedy Stage 1 correct? Otherwise you may wanna send that one back and get the Stage 1

[corradojeff]

is there a reason the stage II would not work?

[BusDriver]

ummm no I suppose it would work, but that will be the biggest craziest clutch ever in a stock car(47 HP and like 50-60 Torque). I mean the Stage 1 is rated to 175 Torque I think the stage 2 is good to 225( I think Dave may run one in his race car) but a stage 2 in your car is like using a MOAB on a house, effective but maybe a bit over the top. Plus you will probably stretch the living poop out of that brand new cable there, and if you go with that I believe your disk is going to pay the price(not to mention your left leg). Will it fit? I think it is the same size as any other(Someone could correct me here but I think the magic is in the springs) so I don't think that would be a problem although I would have the depth of the fly wheel checked just to double make sure.

The long and the short of it; It would probably work fine if you have to have it. I put a 2300ish in a buggy today and it got a stage 1 and I am taking a SWAG(Scientific Wild Ass Guess)here and thinking that it puts out more torque than you currently do, or probably will in the future, and if it only warrants a stage 1 I can't imagine why you would need more. That being said I have no experience whatsoever with a stage 2 other than reading about them so anything I say about this is just conjecture. One cool side effect of a stage 2 will be we will get to see lots of launches and wheel spins/  ;)

[corradojeff]

thats what im here for.. ;D

It was the same price as the stage I except the I was not in stock and the II was. If i have to i will go with a cnc hydraulic set up, i have always liked those... and im looking into that large motor as we speak... and dont worry i didnt forget the motor mounts, im just getting those at DIP

[BuginU2]

I happen to have the card that comes with the KEP pressure plates (recall I broke a Stage 1 last year) handy....

Stage 1 - 176 ft lb - "Intended for any street VW and engines up to 75 Buick V6 (use a stronger clutch for later Buicks)"
Stage 2 - 217 ft lb - "Works good in well hopped up VW buggies and most other competition VW uses where the driver is determined to either win or BREAK"  :o
Stage 3 - 257 ft lb
Stage 4 - 298 ft lb

Stage 1 is plenty - I think even Mark runs a Stage 1 in his race car... but don't quote me.

[TotallyVW]

Stage 1 is plenty - I think even Mark runs a Stage 1 in his race car... but don't quote me.

HA!  I just quoted you.  What are you gonna do about it?!

You are correct.  I do run a Stage 1 in my race car.  Why?  Here's my theory:  You need some slip somewhere otherwise you are gonna break your transmission.  Don't get me wrong, I use the bejesus out of the poor thing and end up putting a new clutch in every year.  The way Dave drives his car I would bet he is running at least a Stage 2.  It's a monster and spends a ton of time with the front wheels off the ground.  I also run a Stage 1 in my convertible with the 1776.  It works good until I am in traffic.  Holy cow do I wish I ran a stock clutch then.  Another item to consider is the additional stress you will cause on the clutch tube running through your car.  I have had to open up the hump and re-weld the tube in both the race car and convertible.  I do beleive I owe that to the high pressure clutch.  If it were me and I was running a stock engine I would run a diaphram style stock pressure plate.  It has a little more pressure than the three finger style and will do the job.  Oh, and I am running a stock engine in my black car and it has a stock diaphram style clutch in it.   ;)

[BusDriver]

I happen to have the card that comes with the KEP pressure plates (recall I broke a Stage 1 last year) handy....

Stage 1 - 176 ft lb - "Intended for any street VW and engines up to 75 Buick V6 (use a stronger clutch for later Buicks)"
Stage 2 - 217 ft lb - "Works good in well hopped up VW buggies and most other competition VW uses where the driver is determined to either win or BREAK"  :o
Stage 3 - 257 ft lb
Stage 4 - 298 ft lb

Stage 1 is plenty - I think even Mark runs a Stage 1 in his race car... but don't quote me.

And there you have it. I think you will spend more money in disks and cables than the cool factor is worth. You are not going to make anywhere near 217 for ANYTHING you are going to build and run on the street. Plus I believe the stress that will be caused to other parts of your VERY stock bug negates the cool factor all together and puts you in the category of; Dude,,,why???. When you build your motor and clamp down your tranny, and are ready to put the traction bar on it, then think about the stage 2. Until then accept the fact that you are the very proud owner of a very old car that is not ever going to run a quarter mile worthy of that clutch. If you still after 2(now 3 "thank you Mark") of us trying to wave you off HAVE TO HAVE IT!!(Which is a concept I understand and will not fault you for.) then you should check into some other disk as I think you have to step up your disk to use that clutch. Does it say anything about that in your Docs Duane?

[Thanney]

oohhh look at all the shinies  8)

[BusDriver]

Ok it's OFFICIAL 3 flagman standing on the deck waving you off!!!

F14 Carrier Landing - Wave Off

[BuginU2]

I'd guess Dave is running solid metal tranny mounts with that Stage 2 clutch.  I didn't see anything in the docs about having a different disc until you get to a Stage 3 or 4.

Aside from the good chance you are going to break your _______ (cable, pedal assembly, T/O bearing arms, guide tube, etc) - you are going to end up with "clutch leg". 

 You know what "clutch leg" is, right?  The muscles on your left leg will become freakishly bulked up from clutching in traffic.  ;D  After a year or so the NFL might be interested in you as a kicker!   ;D   

[ruwaldo]

You know what "clutch leg" is, right?  The muscles on your left leg will become freakishly bulked up from clutching in traffic.  ;D  After a year or so the NFL might be interested in you as a kicker!   ;D

Or he'll only be able to walk in circles.   :D

[CatBox]

i have one of the used stage 1's from mark race car in my car and it can be a work out in traffic and still grabs nasty when i get to excited and just let it go   ;D

[BusDriver]

Update Dave runs a stage 2 with a 6 Puck.  ;)

[corradojeff]

seems the problem wouldnt be too bad with a hydraulic set up. i realize it may be over kill for now and i might just store it away for a rainy day and large engine...maybe dip has a stg 1 in stock


thanks for input